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Valg af DDR3 PC10600 (1333 MHz)Af Bruger Aspirant Mr. C | 26-12-2013 14:38 | 4301 visninger | 101 svar, hop til seneste
Har i hvert fald en lille i3-550 3,2 GHz med et bundkort med P55 controller siddende.. Er den sorte så overkill og ligegyldig?
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Hvilket mobo og ram har du nu?
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Mvh. Mr. WoLF Sådan nogen http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
De kan godt køre 1333mhz (9-9-9-25-34 ved 1.5 volt) og senere når der opgraderes kan de køre op til 2400mhz eller måske endda mere, lav pris og g skill skulle være et godt mærke
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Bundkortet er et OEM fra Medion, men chipsettet er Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset. Intel(R) P55 Express Chipset LPC Interface Controller.
Ram er lige nu:
Nanya M2F2G64CB88B7N-CG (2x2GB 1333MHz)
Hvorfor står der egentlig "Memory Speed DDR3-1333 (667 MHz)" 667 MHz?
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Jeg kan da ikke smide nogle PC19200 (2400MHz) i, når bundkortet understøtter max. PC10600 (1333MHz) ??
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#5
jo, som standard køre f.eks 1600mhz ram 1066mhz eller 1333mhz, det afhænger af cpuen og bundkortet.
En porsche kan jo også køre langsomt ;-)
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Depends on SPD, if it`s set higher ... then might be some problems (but it`s theory, i haven`t tested it), as you can see here:
https://forum-fr.msi.com[...]
and it`s for this RAM:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
But this RAM:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
has other settings to run (read from SPD):
http://aphnetworks.com[...]
http://aphnetworks.com[...]
But as i`ve said, i have never tested it before, maybe it doesn`t matter at all, maybe the SPD has to be compatible with mobo`s acceptable speed.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum #9
That CL8 is 1.6v (the CL9 is 1.5v). I couldn`t find cpu-z for it, there was only for 2GB modules:
http://easycom.com.ua[...]
- starts with 800MHz.
And it can probably run better, f.e. 1333MHz cl7-7-7-21 @ 1.5v ... wait a second ... why not 1.65 ... as i remember ... 1.5v RAM was "introduced" with Ivy Bridge, LGA1156 mobos (P55 chipset) were fine with 1.65v. The question is - which voltage he would like to use with new mobo.
If it`s 1.5v - then that 1866MHz CL9 1.5v from #8, if 1.65 ain`t a problem - that TridentX 2400MHz is a nice deal.
P.S. the other question - which we should ask ... is ... why the upgrade?
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum So, as asked, which one of the 4 as listed should I go with in my case? As for the upgrade, I just want to get the maximum amount of RAM installed just for fun, and then the new ones may be a little better in performance/reliability or?
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My link (peecee cpu-z, trident x) say 685mhz 1.5 volt, look at specifications http://www.gskill.com[...] they are also tested at 1.50 volt at max mhz
so both should be able to run at 1333mhz at 1.5 volt (don't think ripjaws x vill run 1866mhz 1.50 volt and 1333mhz only with 1.6-1.65 volt)
The trident x 2400 you can buy in a cl 9 version http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
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#12 i know, i know :) Read carefully please ;)
"The question is - which voltage he would like to use with new mobo.
If it`s 1.5v - then that 1866MHz CL9 1.5v from #8, if 1.65 ain`t a problem - that TridentX 2400MHz is a nice deal."
- i was writting about his ... next PC, where he can use the RAM he buys now. That TridentX is 1.65 @ 2400MHz and "they say" to use 1.5v RAM with Ivy / Haswell. But who cares - i use 1.65v RAM ;)
And that CL8 RAM:
http://www.gskill.com[...]
- oh, computersalg says 1.6v ... but check here again:
http://www.easycom.com.ua[...]
- 800MHz (1600MHz) the lowest, kinda tricky ... what if?
Hard to say Mr. C. Your call, generally faster RAM (some of them, that we link to) should automatically downclock to that 1333MHz and you should be fine.
Your call (i`ll re-write ... i don`t like to do it :-x) ... but it`s Christmas ;)
Those two should automatically downspeed to your mobo`s settings:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
http://aphnetworks.com[...]
or the TridentX:
http://peecee.dk[...]
... but should vs. could ... unfortunately i cannot make the final call for you.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I'm confused now.. So it doesn't even matter if I ex. went with 3000MHz, It'll just downgrade and run max. 1333 MHz because of my motherboard? You just recommend (for a possible later upgrade of the motherboard) higher MHz than 1333? ex. those 2400MHz.. ?
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#16
You can run a cpu higher or lower then stock speed, the same with ram.
What i think e-gamer is trying to say is that his not shure if
all of the ram we are talking about can run at 1333mhz and 1.5 volt.
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#17
I`m talking about SPD profile, as you can see here:
http://aphnetworks.com[...]
after installing RAM in slots ... launching PC ... the system will read the RAM - so the PC can start, and it will read it from SPD, in case of this RAM - it should be fine.
But what about a RAM where SPD`s lowest speed is 1600MHz, f.e. the CL8 1866MHz RAM:
http://www.easycom.com.ua[...]
- so how shall the PC start? - if it use the 1600MHz and mobo supports 1333MHz ... it looks like a problem.
Of course there`s not gonna be any problem to run all those RAM that we mention here @ 1333MHz 1.5v, the problem is ... if the module will start with the PC ... that`s how i see it (and if SPD supports 1333MHz - like that 1866MHz CL9 1.5v and that 2400MHz CL10 1.65v ... there shouldn`t be a problem with those two).
About future - they recommend 1.5v (Ivy, Haswell), so you have to decide what to buy - 2400MHz CL10 1.65v or 1866MHz CL9 1.5v (i would buy the 2400MHz CL10 1.65v ... and use it @ 1.65v in the future, but it`s me ...).
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum #17+18
If I just want the ones which is ready for the current motherboard now, which one of the 4 mentioned at top should I stick with? It doesn't matter if I'll have to spend 500-600 DKK again the day I choose to upgrade the motherboard and CPU.
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What about adding 4GB (2 x 2GB) more so you have 8GB?
http://www.memoryc.com[...]
You didn`t answer why you need that RAM upgrade, so i assume you need it for sure ;)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Have just sold my 2x4 gb 1600mhz kingston hyper x, they run 1333mhz at 1.50 volt, you could have bought them. They work on any mb that supports ddr 3, but they costs about 500-550kr new.
If you would like to spend the money on returning the ram and get somthing else (less then 50kr), you can try the ripjaws x 1866mhz 8cl or the 2400 mhz trident x cl 10 or just buy some kingston hyper x 1333mhz,1600mhz what ever is cheapest
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#20:
Yes I already did, see #11 :)
4x2GB? - There's only 2 slots in the motherboard, so 2x4GB is the maximum, and its the maximum the board supports.
#21:
I would like to buy the ones which is the best for the motherboard now, and which is 100% supported. And if its about the same price buying some 1333 MHz or the 1866 or 2400 MHz, then I'll go with the highest MHz (so I can use them for further upgrade of the computer; motherboard and CPU and case later on). But I need to know for sure, that the motherboard doesn't reject them somehow. If i buy 2400MHz and they're aromatically downgraded to run at 1333 MHz and its 100% secure and fine, then of course I'll go with that solution (if the price is about the same).
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#22
Skriv til support på komplett,dustin,proshop eller andre steder
Cinemagic og dustin har i dagtimerne en live chat
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#23
Unless they gonna test it ... i`m not sure if they know the answer ;) = will be very theoretical answer.
gasolin - where did you take this screenshot from?
http://peecee.dk[...]
- is it yours?
It would be the best to buy this RAM, if it`s not gonna be working ... you could sell it for higher price :D - f.e. 700kr. @ dba (and it would be still a nice offer) - or just send them back.
But as you can see @ JEDEC #5 - it should be fine.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I'm not buying anything not working, or probably working. As said in #22, what is it going to be? :)
As regarded for further help with choice of hardware, someday I will boy a new case, motherboard and of course a matching CPU.
I've been looking at the MSI Z77 MPower... or is a MSI Z77A-G45 doing quite fine? And which i7 would you recommend?
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You can always send it back, what`s the problem? ... and theoretically ... it should work ;)
I understand what you say, but that 2400MHz CL10 RAM for this price is a really great offer
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and buying 1333MHz for similar price ... neh, waste of money, especially that you might ... not need that RAM ;)
But be aware - TridentX has a tall RAM - incompatible with some big cpu coolers.
Up to you.
... Mr. C - someday ... in a hardware world ... it changes too fast, there are great offers sometimes ... so we can talk, talk ... and when that day comes - it might turn out that you gonna buy completely something else, because there will be a great offer. Let us know when you are ready ;)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I would like to know a possible setup for now. Ive got that be quiet system power 7 600W and the Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT with boost.
The budget is about 3-4000.
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If i just start with a new motherboard+CPU+ stockCPUcooler+new case+Current RAM/HDDs/PSU/GFX. It'll be fine? Of course a great cooling paste. And next month or two upgrade RAM and CPU cooler.
And I could sell old motherboard and CPU and case for about what, 300-500DKK? Lol.
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3000-4000 kr. for that will be fine. PC for gaming mostly, normal usage?
i5-4670K is for you:
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
Motherboard:
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
RAM:
a) 1866MHz CL9 1.5v:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
b) that 2400MHz CL10 1.65v:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
Case - up to you, f.e.:
a) quite cheap army style:
http://www.cinemagic.dk[...]
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
b) futuristic style:
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
c) "normal" style:
http://www.zalman.com[...]
That Zalman Z5 Plus comes with 3 x 120mm fans and fan controller (fans operate @ 1100rpm or 600rpm):
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
Cpu cooler - for Zalman Z5 Plus - cannot be higher than 150mm, kinda shitty, as most of the good ones are 160mm.
So maybe some liquid one for this case.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Do you recommend socket 1150 instead of 1155? If Im going to use some of the new i7 later? And is the i5 you're linking to going to kick ass just fine? As long as the i3 I've Got know is going to feel like is was big shit.
And for the RAM, couldn't I just start with the 1333MHz I've got know? So I can safe the money in the beginning :)
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Of course you can use present RAM - but you wanted to change it ... just like that for present PC ;)
There`s an offer for i7-4770K for 1999kr., if you need i7:
http://www.dustinhome.dk[...]
(but probably will end soon).
You could also buy Fractal R4 case there (649 kr.) - so the delivery is free:
http://www.dustinhome.dk[...]
And then motherboard:
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
Fine for the beginning - and then changing rest of components slowly (RAM, adding SSD, new gfx - if needed).
But if you prefer nice price / performance ratio - then i5-4670K for +- 1400kr is a really nice choice.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Okay, I'll go with this:
i5-4670K
~ 1397 kr
(Is there any cooling paste included with the CPU, or?)
MSI Z87-G45 GAMING
~ 966.
Zalman Z11 Plus
~ 473 kr.
Together with what I've already got:
- SATA HDDs
- bequiet SystemPower 7 600W
- Sapphire Radeon HD7870XT with boost (PCI-e 3.0x16)
- 2x2GB 1333MHz
Total: max. 3000 kr.?
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Thermal paste comes with i5-4670K ... with the Intel stock cpu cooler, no worries about it.
The other thing is that this paste is nothing amazing ;)
OK update ... and after some time - RAM / SSD / new graphic card (if needed for the games that you play) / cpu cooler (and OC :)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Okay :) Which paste do you recommend then? Its quite cheap, so no problem including that.
Yes exactly!
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Generally - if you gonna buy Noctua cpu cooler later - it comes with NT-H1 paste - a good one, so no need to buy it now.
But ... for 60kr. incl. delivery, here:
http://webdanes.dk[...]
AS 5 is also a good one.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum All Noctua cpu coolers comes with NT-H1 thermal compound, but AS 5 is also a good one.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Alright.. I will place an order for the hw, as recommended, tomorrow :)
Hope I can install every piece correct. Its just the mb (connecting cables from the case etc., and installing the cpu I'm a little bit nervous about.
There's nothing wrong in accidentally dropping the CPU on the floor when grapping it from the plastic case so the legs bends, no ? :D
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It`s quite easy, so don`t stress too much, because then you might mess up ;)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yeah exactly! :)
Hmm.. Can you show me how to apply the thermal paste?
Which "method" is the best for the i5-4670k?
Because those YouTube videos are driving me crazy.. Different methods (Pea, cross, line, full cover, etc. etc.).
I've once installed a Intel Pentium 4 3,2 GHz and just did a full thin cover with the thermal paste, and I think it went well. The PC acted like usual..
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Yeah, i also use such a method - full cpu covered by thermal paste, always works fine.
I`ve had a lot of laugh reading comments here:
http://www.youtube.com[...]
- the trick is that ... on the video - it looks really nice, but the guy has 100% visibility what he`s doing, and sometimes he puts more pressure - because he can see that the paste ain`t going well.
Let him do the same with cpu cooler, where he can`t see shit ;)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I did just watch the exactly same video before! Haha.. You've got a good point. So the full covered "method" is doing just great? Of course a thin and nice even layer. And on the CPU and then mount the CPU cooler (because some apply thermal paste on the CPU cooler without doing it on the CPU)
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I do the full cover and i`m fine, but ... it what i`ve been doing all the time, without testing other methods, so i don`t want to be a smartass here, as i don`t know much about the others.
But i got no problems - i don`t need to search for other method.
Yeah, i put the paste only on cpu.
Good luck ;)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Thank you, again, for the guidance. :)
I'll let you know when the hardware arrive and when completed, or if any questions occur assembling it..
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I'll start with 2x4GB of RAM from Gskill.
Which one do you prefer? I thought I should go with the 2400 MHz (they run 1600 MHz without OC from the motherboard, right?)
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You`ll be fine with those:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
- you can also set them @ 1.65v with 1866MHz CL8-8-8-24 (so vs. 2400MHz CL10-12-12-31 it will be quite fine).
I`ve bought 2 x 4GB Crucial 1866MHz CL9-9-9-27 1.5 v and running them @ 1.65v with CL8-8-8-24, but they cost a lot atm.:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
- so get the G.Skill.
But @ 1.5v CL9 it will be also fine.
And it`s low profile = will be compatible with some big cpu cooler - if you would like to buy one later.
And you still save some money (vs. 2400MHz RAM).
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I can increase the voltage with software (or in BIOS?) to 1.65v and the CL will be better (the response time) ?
And is there any cons. to set them at 1.65v instead of the std 1.5v ? Shorter lifetime (10 years instead of 20? lol).
I'm not familiar with all that yet.. :o)
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk[...]
i use my RAM @ 1.65v ;)
RAM settings - BIOS, you have to set those things manually.
With the voltage it`s similar to cpu - higher voltage gives more stability, so you can put the CL lower, or MHz higher.
If that RAM operates @ 1866MHZ CL9 1.5v, you could try to run it @ 2133MHz CL9 1.65v or 1866MHz CL8 1.65v
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Okay, I've ordered the G.Skill Sniper 1866MHz earlier..
Now the package has arrived and I have mounted the motherboard, installed the CPU and stock cooler and connected the most cables from the Zalman..
It's just about the;
* PWR LED
* HDD LED
* PWR SW
* RESET
4 cables. What is + and - (from the zalman) at the Reset connector? The red or the black? Because its stated on the other but not the RESET connector. I can see the color on the cables for + (red) on the HDD LED, but if red is + on the RESET also, then the text on the connector is facing the other way.
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We're up and running.. The reset button is working :)
I'm installing the OS now. Win7 32-bit.. Nah just kidding. x64 ofcourse ;)
But one thing concerned me when in the BIOS before anything else, the temp. went from 36 to 46-49 Celsius just by "surfing" in the BIOS-menu.. Maybe the stock cooler (and thermal paste) is worthless?
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I just did the Windows Experience Index test:
CPU: 7,6
RAM: 7,6
GRAPHIC (Windows Aero): 7,6
GAME GRAPCHIC: 7,6
PRIMARY HDD: 5,9*
And temp.:
Core #0: Min. 29 Max: 62
Core #1: Min. 26 Max: 61
Core #2: Min. 29 Max: 59
Core #3: Min. 27 Max: 60
That's great, dont you think?
* Because of the slow HDD (It's a 500GB WD Caviar Black; "WDC WD5001AALS-00L3B SCSI Disk Device") should I get a SSD then, and the score will be 7,9?
And is it just normal it's stated "SCSI"?
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Hi man, glad to hear.
Don`t worry about BIOS temperature - cpu there is under stress (not like idle in Windows), that temperature doesn`t matter, don`t pay attention to it.
And don`t worry about that Windows Experience Index - it`s practically useless.
Why? - f.e. HDD = you know what you have = it`s large, ain`t that fast as SSD.
WEI tells you nothing with that funny rating.
If you want to get SSD - then focus on those things (specs.) that it gives you, not about WEI ;)
SSD gives you faster boot, loading times, game patching, antivirus scanning, faster files copying (on SSD only, as copy from SSD -> HDD will be still limited by HDD`s write spead).
About SCSI - hmm ... i don`t know, sorry.
Min. temperature is kinda useless, after stressing cpu for 5 minutes, cool it down by 5 minutes (doing nothing) and then start using f.e. internet ... and that`s the temperature you should check - the "idle" temperature = the temperature when you use the PC without heavy stressing, just for the light stuff.
You know about EIST (Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology)?
- it slows down your cpu, f.e. if "cpu" thinks that you don`t neet full power - it slows down the cpu, so f.e. instead of having cpu running @ 3,4GHz ... it can slow it down to 1,6GHz ... and sometimes - when you open some program, do something - cpu still "thinks" that you don`t need more performance ... and you do those things with 1,6GHz.
If you gonna test the "idle" speed as i`ve suggested and the temp. will be fine - maybe turn EIST off. Then your cpu will be working 24/7 with 3,4GHz (+ boost speed) - so you got all the performance available all the time.
But if you like the power saving feature - leave EIST on, up to you.
If you got some $$$ - maybe think about buying some decent cpu cooler + OC, just a slight - f.e. constant 4,0 GHz 24/7 with EIST / Turbo off - so the cpu operates constantly @ 4,0GHz will be nice (if you like nice performance and don`t care about power, energy ;)).
But it`s also nice to have SSD, if 120GB SSD (112 GB usable space) is enough for you, this offer is a great one:
http://www.billigmedien.de[...]
- cost 537kr. incl. delivery. That shop is @ truspilot:
http://www.trustpilot.dk[...]
Maybe also this fan for top:
http://www.billigmedien.de[...]
- 900rpm, 11dBA looks OK.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Okay.. :) It was just for fun actually with the WEI.. Just to see the change, and which.
The min. temp. was when opening the software (~idle temp.) and the high temp. was doing the WEI test. (small benchmark I think ;)).
I have disabled the EIST in BIOS. Tried running with OC Genie or something, It went with 4,0 GHz, but the temp. were running high (late 60s-start70s) in ex. CS:GO on highest settings.
The 7870XT is topping 70s god damn it.. What to do? - Without OC!
I will get a SSD, maybe from Samsung. The newer 840 EVO I think.
Next thing is a new heatsink/cooler for the i5 and the worlds best paste for that.
But here's how it looks for now:
http://oi41.tinypic.com[...]
http://oi42.tinypic.com[...]
Any complaint? :)
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"New PC" looks definately better ;)
Whaaat? - don`t worry about HD 7870XT, up to 80 degrees under high load = great :)
Cpu - up to 75 ... under quite high load is also OK, up to 80-85, under some benchmark ... acceptable, if this is a benchmark situation = so you don`t have those temps. all the time when f.e. playing games.
I would suggest you to use manual OC and 3,8GHz with that stock cooler, it`s still a nice speed to have 24/7. And after you buy some decent cpu cooler - then go above 4GHz.
But it all depends on temperatures, if you know how to test them probably ... let the oc fun be with you ;)
But 70 degrees for gfx - don`t worry about it at all :) Start worrying when it`s gonna be between 80 - 85 degrees (but also depends on gpu load).
If 120GB (112GB usable space) is enough for you as C:\ partition (installed Windows, games, programs that you use) then go back to #54 and buy that Kingston V300 SSD for 500kr., it`s an amazing offer.
And buy that fan and put on top - airflow (get rid of the hot air from the case) will be nice, more OC friendly :)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yeah, with stock clock speed, the temp. on GPU is in CS:GO with highest settings in the 70s. The CPU is in the 60s.
I tried OC to 4,0 GHz, the CPU hit 80 in one of the cores and 78-79 in the others, so I went back to 3,4 stock.
Hmm.. But this Zalman is full of fans. I don't think they are worth shit. The temp. is sky high and all the fans is running full... What to do?
Front: Intake
Right and left side: Out
Back top: Out
Top back: Out (Change it with the one you've linked to in #54?)
The PSU should be with the fan down, right? Like installed now :)
I will indeed try it.. Maybe the 256 GB?
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Hey, if you want bigger SSD then Samsung 840 EVO 250GB (+- 228GB usable space) is a nice option, it`s really up to your "GB needs".
Fans are fine, other won`t do miracles also - it`s the default cpu cooler, they are really wort s**t ;)
But that fan:
http://www.billigmedien.de[...]
only wioth SSD - so the delivery isn`t expensive. If you don`t want to buy V300 120GB there, don`t buy that fan.
Z11 Plus can have 2 x 120mm fans on top.
3,4 stock + Turbo = 3,9GHz, but i have never tested Turbo (i always turn all s**t off, use manual settings - oc), so can`t say much about it.
But if EIST is off = you got more power avaliable all the time (than with on) :)
Yeah, PSU is fine:
1) it`s not sucking hot air from the case
2) nothing will get inside.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yeah, I'll upgrade the stock CPU cooler before anything else I think. And before try anymore of OC. Until I'll stick with the stock clockspeed.
But is it normal for the GPU to rise to 70 dregrees just for CS:GO on highest settings? The stock fans on the board is not running at 100% but about 65-70% I think. It is controlling itself, right? So if the temp. went further it would automatically increase the fan speed itself to prevent damage, right? :)
Just to be sure, which CPU cooler should I take a look at? Noctua DH-14 or some Corsair H80 or H100?
http://www.corsair.com[...]
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You cannot compare temperature of a grphic card with a temperature of a cpu, those are 2 different things.
And 70 degrees for graphic card ... is a very good temperature, as is say - up to 80 degrees is totally fine.
80-85 is average, but still OK.
85-90 - it`s not so good, but still acceptable.
90-95 - generally ... gfx can accept those temperature in range of 90-95, but if gfx. reaches 90 (especially one with custom cooler) you should start worrying (maybe thermal paste is "gone", bad airflow, etc.).
But your HD 7870XT and 70 degrees - that`s a really nice temperature.
In most cases gfx`s fan never reach 100% speed (no need).
Yes, it`s auto-controlled, but there are programs which allows customization, f.e. MSI Afterburner:
http://media.bestofmicro.com[...]
Cpu cooler - which RAM do you own now? - is it a tall one, or some low profile? - it`s about compatibility.
And which one? - depends on your priorities, some tips:
1) CM 612s
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
- can run @ 900rpm or 1300rpm
2) Scythe Ashura:
http://www.pricerunner.dk[...]
http://www.tweak.dk[...]
3) NH-U12S - is 100% RAM compatible:
http://www.edbpriser.dk[...]
4) NH-D14 - great performance.
But all of them will allow you to OC @ 4 - 4,5GHz, NH-D14 @ above 4,5GHz ... but it also depends on cpu - how much you can pull out of it.
Corsair H - neh, you don`t need it to OC.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I wasn't compairing the two temperatures. I know the CPU temperature was very high when I sat the CPU Clock speed @ 4,0 GHz, and gaming the same game as mentioned before (I did it just to try it, and went back because the stock cooler almost died I could hear), but it hit me when I saw the GPU temperature at 70+. And only decreased max. 5 degrees when setting the fans to 100%. But if its a fine temperature, then I'm glad.
The RAM is the ones from G.Skill you recommended above. And I have set them to 1866 MHz in BIOS, and I think 1,65v (but still shows 1.5v in CPU-Z).
I think the RAM sockets on the motherboard is close to the CPU, but MSI haven't made this "GAMING" motherboard without space for custom coolers, so there have to be plenty of space.
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I would love to know how I can set these RAM at 8-8-8-24 and 1,650v.
Everytime I do it, it resets to default after reboot and says it failed.
I tried directly in BIOS and also with the MSI Command Center software.
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You got this RAM, right?
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
Well ... you know ... maybe you can`t = it will be too high OC. It`s the same as with cpu`s, f.e. not every i5-4670K can get f.e. 4,7GHz.
Mine RAM is Crucial 1866MHz 1.5v CL9-9-9-27 by default, that G.Skill is 1866MHz 1.5v CL9-10-9-28.
You could try to run them @ 2133MHz CL9-10-9-28 1.65v, maybe this will work, but maybe that G.Skill is tweaked to it`s max. settings, hard to say.
The Crucial RAM that i got:
http://www.computersalg.dk[...]
was more expensive, that`s why i wasn`t recommending it to you.
And 1866MHz CL9-10-9-28 1.5v - is still a nice RAM, for +- 580kr.
And RAM set - in BIOS.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum That G.Skill, which you got, is compatible with NH-D14 :)
http://www.noctua.at[...]
so NH-D14 is a nice choice.
That V300 @ billigemedien - if 120GB (112GB usable space_ SSD as C:\ parition - for 537kr. incl. delivery is a very good option, so that Kingston:
http://www.billigmedien.de[...]
- yes. They are @ trustpilot:
http://www.trustpilot.dk[...]
- looks like there are some problems with service / reklamation, but other than that - shop is ok, for that price - worth to try.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yep, also a nice one, will look great in your case :)
Here`s techpowerup`s review:
http://www.techpowerup.com[...]
RAM will be also fine:
http://www.vortez.net[...]
Unfortunately no ... lowest rpm speed, but should be fine anyway, be quiet! makes nice fans.
Definately ... get this one :)
Other shops:
http://skinflint.co.uk[...]
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yeah, It'll be either the NH-D14 or the Dark Pro 2 I think :)
The Dark Pro 2 looks quite nice compared to NH-D14.
The only thing is, that I have to buy it from The UK, but the price is quite nice as regarding total incl. shipment.
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*Dark ROCK Pro 2.. Hehe
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You could also get it from Germany:
http://www.idealo.de[...]
I`ve bought PSU in anobo.de, the buy was problem free, delivery was quite fast, as i remember, so you could try in this shop:
http://www.idealo.de[...]
Hard choice, NH-D14 is also nice and don`t use PWM fans = you can set it`s fans`s speed @ 900rpm or (1200/1300rpm) constant.
900rpm will be quiet, but if you don`t care that much about noise and want max. OC possibility - then Dark Rock Pro 2 with it`s 1500/1700 max. rpm speed will be probably better, as it gives more cooling efficiency (as NH-D14`s 1200/1300rpm).
Up to your needs.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum You could control Be Quiet!`s fans with the help of mobo`s software:
http://www.techpowerup.com[...]
- with creating your own profile.
You, probably, would be also to do the same thing with Noctua fans - probably, because Noctua fans aren`t PWM ones, and i don`t know this software irl, i`m using ASUS Fan Xpert (for ASUS mobos) - and it`s possible with that software ... to control non-PWM fans (set your own profile).
If you want the look, hardcore OC - DRP 2.
If you want one speed, quite silent - 900rpm ... Noctua, it will also give you OC possibility, f.e. 4,3GHz (due to decent temps. - that`s why no more, but if you accept worse temperatures ... you could set the cpu @ 4,5GHz).
I would buy DRP2, for you ... and for myself ... today.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yeah, "CPU Fan 1" & "CPU Fan 2" - But isn't it also controlling itself? So if gaming, it regulate fan speed regarding to the CPU temperature?
I'm also going to buy DRP2. Have you bought it now?
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I mean ... if i was buying a cpu cooler for myself today ...
it would be DRP 2 ;)
... i use NH-D14 @ 500rpm with custom fans = is ok for me (i`m a silence maniac, not OC maniac ;)
Yes, it`s regulating by itself ... but manually = more fun = you can create your own fan speed / temperature profile and control it as you want.
But for you - DRP 2, no doubt :)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Ah okay :) Just make sure I understood you correct.
I've never been OC'ing and also like silence when possible.. This BQ DRP 2 is quiet I think when not doing full OC.
I'm looking forward to trying it. As long as its better than this stock cooler!
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Bought it here yesterday: http://cdon.dk[...]
Total 649 kr. incl. delivery. They shipped it today (from Sweden). Great price I think. Not from UK nor from Germany...
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Price is +- similar (but yeah - on some low level, compared to others), but it`s good to hear that you gonna have it soon :)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I've received it today. The correct product and everything looks alright. Gonna install it tomorrow.. Hope it's going to be without any problems.
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So, its mounted now. Idling temp. is: 24, 21, 23, 23.
How hard should I fastening the screws on the backplate of the cooler?
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Hard to say ;)
The most important are operating temps. anyway = try to run prime95 SmallFFT`s for 5 minutes, turn it off, and after 5 minutes start to use internet / watching some movie ... and then check temps. = that`s the "low load temp" - because it`s probably how you gonna use the PC.
Turning the PC on and not using it = "idle after turning on" - usually never happens ;)
And similar with load temps. - prime85 SmallFFT`s stress test is also ... in some way ... useless, as 100% load on all cores practically never happens, so ... you shouldn`t pay much attention to it. But it`s good to know it, if it`s going high, then you can use CoreTemp`s "Overheat protection function":
http://peecee.dk[...]
I was using it with i7-2600K @ 4,5GHz with Noctua NH-D14 @ 500rpm, under prime95 SmallFFT`s i was getting up to 92 degrees, but - that test has not much to do with reality ... that`s why i`ve set o.p to 85 degrees, and i have never reached such a temperture anyway.
But with Dark Rock PRO 2 ... you can forget about this feature ;)
Have you been overclocking? - what about the max. temp. while stressing with prime95 SmallFFT`s test?
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I ran Prime95 yesterday directly after install..
100% for all 4 core = max. temp. 69.
It ran for about 7-8 minutes, and the temp. never went over 69 (the highest for one of the cores. The others were lower).
When I play CoD: Ghosts now, I can't even hear the fans. Not even from the GFX. Lol.
As regarding overclocking, the ram is set to 1866 MHz via. X.M.P... I've activated OC Genie (It sets the clock to 4,0 Ghz, and I just played Ghosts with that. No problem.
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Prime95 for 5 minutes @ 4,0 GHz = 80-83-83-76 degrees highest.. So no 4,5 GHz for me, or what? Then temp. will reach 120? Lol. (or is it just okay, because CPU usage not reaching 100% for 100% of the time?)
And then I stopped the test (the temp. immediately drops to ~35 +/- .. Surfing the web and watching a video on youtube in 1080p, the temps. are like 31-35..
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"Prime95 for 5 minutes @ 4GHz = 80-83-83-76" = something is wrong. What voltatge did you have @ those 4GHz?
Maybe try to OC manually, i never trust A.I. ;)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I'm not familiar with adjusting voltage of any kind for the CPU, RAM or GFX.. :/
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What you can try is to set cpu core voltage @ 1.15v and 4GHz speed to do some temperature test (maybe auto OC sets the voltage very high - that`s why such temperatures).
There`s quite a lot of guides that you can find, and try to google: "cpu ring voltage i5-4670k" - it`s some new "feature" with Haswell, but i don`t know much about it, as i`m still with Sandy Bridge on board.
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I've just messed with the CPU Core voltage (set to 1,25) and CPU Core Ratio to 46 (4,6 GHz).. I could bootup with 1,25v (but not 1,20v = stuck and had to push the clear CMOS button from the I/O panel).. Think I'll get help from a really great overclocker instead of playing with anything I dont know what is.
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"Prime95 for 5 minutes @ 4,0 GHz = 80-83-83-76 degrees highest"
- so it was for 4,6GHz @ 1.25v? - then ... temps. are fine :)
But from 1.2 -> 1.25 is a "big jump", you can also try f.e. 1.22, 1.23, 1.24.
But 4,5GHz - 4,6GHz and vcore @ +- 1.25 and temps. under 100% load @ "80-83-83-76" is fine.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum I've been running 4,0 GHz @ 1,20v stable for the last week now.. (Gaming multiple times, surfing net, downloading stuff, image editing, printing etc. = everyday thing).
Should I try lowering it as much as I could (with 0,1 at a time) before it gets unstable and then leave it at the last stable voltage (maybe write it down for a preset later) ?
The BQDRP2 is doing it great. Idle temps. below 30 and also when surfing the internet and a youtube video playing in the background. And thats at the above overclock..
But I haven't been running prime95 for a whole day to see if something happens (whats the point? Testing every single inch of whats the CPU is capable of?)
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When gaming fx. CoD: Ghosts at high settings, I cant even hear the fans spinning more than like at idle..
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1.2v for 4GHz is too much for i5-4670K.
... you could reach like +- 1.1v - 1.15v. But it also depends on other features that you use (power phases settings, etc.), but if you don`t want to do a lot of testing (not all day with Prime, maybe 30-60 minutes) ... maybe set @ 1.15v.
If you lower the voltage without proper test ... it might happen that it crash ... one day ... in the moment ... that you never wanted it to happen. Higher voltage = better stability.
But if you will do proper testing ... you can go down with the voltage @ +- 1.1v - 1.15v ... my max. was 2 hours with Prime95 SmallFFT`s ... i`ve never tested it longer :-x ... but i wasn`t looking for the lowest possible voltage, only for a "reasonable one".
Up to you which way you gonna choose ;)
Looks like the cooler is a sweet one :)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum What a circus to do OC.. Hehe. But after following some guides, it's just about upping the voltages a little bit (by around +0,1) if its unstable..
And this "Adaptive mode", "Override mode" or "auto mode" ... "Fixed mode" etc. etc..
I played Ghosts for about half an hour, and suddenly I've got BsoD. Then upping the voltages a little.. but haven't testing the game after yet..
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I've set the voltage to 1,15v at 4,2 GHz, but checking in CPU-Z its showing a lot of different voltages (0,088 - ??), but Core Temp 1.0 RC6 is showing 1,1566v constant..
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Maybe you got some power saving features on = "computer" will downspeed the cpu :(
I got all s***y :-x features off, focused on max. performance.
Check voltage in cpu-z, unless they`ve fixed Core Temp - it was always a mess with showing voltages.
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I could succesfully run IETU Stress Test for a minimum of 8 hours without crash or something. Highest temps. were in the start 70s but went from 58-71 all the time. When my LCD went off the temp. dropped and the aircooler went down but the CPU was all the time on 100%. When I turned on the screen I could hear the fans going up and I could see the temp. increased. Is that normal? And is the Stress Test doing fine anyway? lol.
But as I get it, now when its stable at 4,4 GHz @ 1,25v I should drop it to 1,24 and test 8 hours again or what? and so on, until it crashes (and then use the last known stable voltage).
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Hi, weird thing with the LCD, maybe some features are on, just in case - do you use Core Temp? - it has overheat protection:
http://www.filecluster.com[...]
if you set it properly, you`ll be more safe ... waht i mean by properly? - i got it set so ... that when cpu reaches that temperature if puts system to sleep (in the moment the temp. has been reached) - and it "stops" all activity = cpu won`t overheat:
http://peecee.dk[...]
About voltage and stability ... up to you how you want to do it. I would start with 1.23 ... if it`s stable - go down to 1.21.
If 1.23 won`t be stable - then you know it`s gonna be 1.24 or not ... going down by 0.01 takes quite a lot of work
... but if you want to push the voltage to "minimum", yes, that`s how you should do it = testing a lot of voltages.
And if f.e. 1.23 is not stable, 1.24 is stable ... maybe pick 1.25. Why`s that? Higher voltage = better stability, and if 1.23 is unstable ... 1.24 (if it`s stable) is really close to it ... and if it`s 1.24 or 1.25 - won`t change much with temps. (they`re probably still very good with your cpu cooler) and won`t do damage to cpu, and you`ll gain better stability in that case (with 1.25).
And if you find the stable voltage ... i would suggest you to use few testing programs. One time i`ve had no errors with prime95, but OCCT showed some.
If you don`t care that much about the lowest voltage ... leave 1.25 ;) ... but as i can see - analyze ;) ... you will probably try to find the lowest one, right? ;)
Good luck.
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum Yeah, I've been testing 4,4GHz, 1,25V and VCCIN set on auto (forgot to set it to 1,9 as the OC guide), but it ran from 20:00 last night and to 04:07 in the morning (I set auto shutdown, and I could see in system log it shut down, so it have been succesfully for min. of 8 hours) and today I set the VCCIN to 1,9v and succesfully tested 8h5m.
So now I should set the CPU vcore voltage to 1.24V and do the same test again? Lol. What the fuck.. It'll take months to see what I can get out of it. 8 hours, 8 hours, 8 hours, 8 hours, 8 hours... and thats recommended as minimum amount of time.
Think I'll just launch some Ghosts, FarCry3 etc. and see what happens now.. IF it crashes, then Intel XTU is worth shit. Maybe test for 2 days? omg. All the time you'll test it, the time it will live shorter. Weeeii..
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Running stable at those 4,4 GHz @ 1,25v (lower isn't stable)..
BF4 on high settings gives ~66-68C max...
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Temps. are ok, speed is ok :)
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P183 V3 @ 500rpm, P8P67 Deluxe, i7-2600K @ 4.0, NH-D14 @ 500rpm, 840 PRO 256GB, 8GB 1866/CL8, GTX 580 + Alpenföhn Peter @ 500rpm, SF 1000W Platinum
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